Showing posts with label coherent rational. Show all posts
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Saturday, June 20, 2026

Conforming to Classics



Sweep the Leg 


Questions arose in Classical Tai Chi regarding the statement:  "Everymovement in Tai Chi Form has to have 2 complementary sides of the body, a moving part Yang and a stationary part Yin. When the yin-yang junction is located in the torso of the body, it is an internal move.  When it is outside of the torso, it is an external move." This statement as we have said before was the most important statement made by Wu Chien Chuan to his student Young Wabu. You can find this statement on p. 2 of the book "Uncovering the Treasure" by Stephen Hwa Ph.D. and it is available at Amazon.


The statement was challenged by someone who asked: "Can someone please explain to me how this conforms to the classics of "when moving, there is no place that does not move". "When still, there is no place that is not still".  He continued by saying "The statement about 2 complementary sides, moving Yang and stationary Yin sounds like a broken posture as how a force can pass through the body, if it is not working together as a unit, moving as one".


Master Stephen Hwa wrote the following response to the question, the video above provides an illustration  of his major points about holding the body still while executing a movement that sweeps the leg of the opponent. The video very graphically shows how the movement only works if the nonmoving side of the body is held very still.  Further information about the "Sweeping Movement" is contained in the topic  "The Concept of Yin (nonmoving) and Yang (moving)" on pp. 50 - 51, "Uncovering the Treasure" by Stephen Hwa, Ph.D.



Tai Chi Classics


These Classics started became known in the 1930-40s when book about Tai Chi started to be published in China. These writings reported in those books are a collection of short works attributed to different authors from Chang San-Feng to anonymous authors. Even though their authorship cannot be verified, they are considered to be the holy writ on Tai Chi. They do contain some insights and principles of Tai Chi; but also some glaring mistakes.


How is that possible that both good and bad could be contained in one work. My suspicion is that there is more than one person involved in the writing as we see now. One of my ancestors in the fifteen century wrote a collection of short poems. We have the original hand written manuscript which we published three years ago. During research, we discovered that these poems have been published six times over the years. Many of the published poems are identical to the manuscript; but some have been altered – the later version has more alteration than the earlier version. Apparently, these publishers exercised their poetic license trying to add what they thought a better wording. This kind of alteration is very common in old writings in China and also in the west, such as the bible. The church has devoted inordinate effort to select an acceptable version of the bible.


Two major mistakes in the Classics are: "when one part moves everything moves" and "The jin should be generated from the legs". The later was discussed in Forum 11.


During our last work shop in Buffalo, I warned everyone that you would be challenged by "when one part moves everything moves" when you talk about Classical Tai Chi in public Tai Chi gathering. So you better be prepared. First of all, any martial art move depends upon rooting, there will be a nonmoving part of the body attached to the ground to provide the rooting. Only external martial art which uses push off to generate momentum to attack can qualify "everything moves". In addition, some of these rooted moves, the requirement of nonmoving is very dramatici. During one of the Jou Tsung Hwa Birthday Celebration Gathering ( David Brown was there), I demonstrate this point by asking audience to do a leg sweeping move by standing on one foot and sweep the other leg and move their body with it just slightly. I heard many "ouch" sound from the audience. Then they do the same move while keeping the side of the body above the standing foot still. There was no pain in the knee and delivered a much more powerful sweep. 


I think you all need to keep this demonstration in your pocket. Because, you will need it in the future.


Stephen Hwa, Ph.D.

Friday, July 31, 2009

Yang or Wu Style, what's in a name?











 



People in Tai Chi say: "We stand perpendicular to the ground because that is what you do in Yang Style" and "We don't stand perpendicular to the ground because it is Wu Style."  On the humor side, I met a Judo teacher who criticized the Wu Style "tilt," and her rationale was, "Because we have hips." I have not heard a functional justification for standing perpendicular to the ground in postures.



By functional, we mean a coherent and comprehensive rationale directly related to why one should stand perpendicular to the ground. Frequently, we hear: "Yang Style always stands this way," "My teacher said so, "It is for centering," "It aligns the acupuncture points with the ground," etc., and it leaves us wondering.

 

I wrote the article then this article referred to Cook Ding's Kitchen: 

September 2009. 

https://cookdingskitchen.blogspot.com/2009/09/     As Wustyle.com in Hong Kong reports: "In 1916 Grand Master Wu Chien Chuan, along with other famous Wushu experts of the time Yang Shao Hou, Yang Cheng Fu, Hsu Sheng Chi Tzu Hsiu, Sun Lu T'ang, Liu En Shou, Liu Tsai Chen, Chang Chung Yuan, Tong Lian Chi, Chiang Teng Tsui, Hsing Shih Ju and others established the Beijing Institute of Physical Education."  

 

history Beijing Institute of Physical Education
The Beijing Institute of Physical Education was
founded in 1953 as the Central Institute of Physical Education and was later renamed Beijing Sport University (BSU) in 1993. 
Key Historical Milestones
  • 1953: Founding Established as the Central Institute of Physical Education (中央体育学院) to train sports professionals.
  • 1956: Renamed Became the Beijing Institute of Physical Education.

The most famous teachers from "Yang Style," "Wu Style," etc., taught under the same roof. If I had to venture into an opinion, the teachers would not say, "I'm teaching Yang Style, and because of that, the correct way to stand is perpendicular to the ground. My other opinion would be that it was not the teachers but the students who came up with the names, such as "I'm studying something from Yang" and "I'm studying something from Wu." I would also venture into another opinion and say those gentlemen did not develop their art in a vacuum. They also trained with each other, compared arts, pushed hands with one another, etc. That itself has profound implications. Reference to this can be found at 

Cook Ding's Kitchen: September 2009 (cookdingskitchen.blogspot.com)

 

Finally, I quote Master Hwa in answering a student's question:

Q. Why do you emphasize "classical" Tai Chi and not "Wu" Tai Chi?

Tai Chi Health Benefits. https://www.classicaltaichi.com/tai-chi-health-benefits.html According to my teacher, Grand Master Young Wabu, he heard his teacher, the legendary master Wu Chian Chuan, say that Wu did not change the Yang Tai Chi learned from the Yang's. Wu Chian Chuan emphatically said, "It can not be changed."

 

The knowledge cycle of learning classical Tai Chi to understand its eventual consequences is very long. To learn the Tai Chi form takes several years to become proficient. To test the effectiveness of what has been learned in actual martial arts application takes another few years. Confirming the health implications, especially during older age, requires a human generation. Here, we have classical Tai Chi with numerous components meticulously optimized to satisfy both the requirements of martial arts application and health benefits. It must be a multi-generation effort. When Wu Chian Chuan taught my teacher, Tai Chi was already in such an advanced state. One can fully appreciate his statement, "It can not be changed."

 

 

Rick,

Thanks for posting this. The thought that comes to mind when I re-read this is what generations were there. There was a generation that preceded them as well. The implications of what Taijiquan could do healthwise as well as martial art, certainly had that human generation before them for fruition. So, being well established and already noted for its benefits gives credence to the statement. "It cannot be changed" as Wu Jianquan said to Yang Wabiu.
6:21 PM

Rick Matz
Thanks for writing it in the first place.
10:01 PM

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